So on the way home from FHE tonight, one of the girls we were riding home with was commenting on how Harry and Ron are going to have longer hair in the fourth movie, and how characters shouldn't change so much in the sequels, and how the actors are growing up to be so stuck up.
First, we try to tackle the sequel question, because we've seen character images change, and slightly longer hair isn't that big deal. It's not like they've grown it down to their knees. Athena points out how different Luke Skywalker looks in Empire Strikes Back than he does in A New Hope. She hadn't noticed, and when we explained that Mark Hamill broke his nose, she says it doesn't count because it wasn't something that could be controlled with hair and makeup. So we point out the differences in Obi-Wan's hair from Phantom Menace to Attack of the Clones, and how Anakin was suddenly way older in Attack of the Clones, but those doesn't count because she didn't like those episodes anyway. Oy.
So forget Star Wars. Sometimes characters grow up, and if they want to have longer hair... This is where the stuck-up actors argument comes in. I'm not really sure where it came from, but come it did. So we're like, "How does the characters having longer hair show them growing up to be snobs?" So she turns back to our Star Wars example, and says that when an actor is in a lot of movies, they get stuck up, as illustrated by Princess Leia's gold bikini. Apparently, the fact that Leia was a slave at the time she wore it meant nothing. (When I asked her about this later, she said it was because children wouldn't know the difference and would think it's cool whether she was forced into it or not. I like to think that kids are smarter than that, and if they're not, that's what their parents are for.)
So we're like, "That was the director, not the actress," and she's like, "She had a choice of outfits to wear. The costume designer would have given her a choice--in the first movie, she was all covered up, but she was tired of wearing that, she wanted to show herself." We pressed her for a source, but she just kept going. Later she explained that she meant that, according to agency, Carrie Fisher could have refused to wear the outfit. She seems to be making up scenarios in her head and taking them for truth. This is actually something I've seen happen many times, since long before we moved here (I've even used it myself; it's a flaw I'm working to overcome), but I've never seen it used towards people they don't even know. Except in the case of the guy we heard about who said Phil Collins kicked his dog...
We go back to the Harry Potter actors for some reason (when everything is so jumbled, I have a harder time remembering the details), and we ask how she's so sure they'll grow up to be such terrible people, and she replies that they all do. So we ask about Haley Joel Osment. Everything we've ever heard about him indicates that he's one of the sweetest people in the whole world. She hopes we're right, but...
So Athena asks how she'd feel if someone told her they hated Mormons because all Mormons are stuck up and think they're better than everyone else. She said she'd believe them if they gave examples. *sigh*
And suddenly we're realizing that she never gave us any good examples.
She called later to apologize, and to explain what she meant about Carrie Fisher's choice to wear the bikini. And of course, I can never back down from an argument, so I have to explain that Ms. Fisher has different standards and wearing a bikini has nothing to do with stardom going to her head. And so the debate went on until Athena got adamant about getting back to Phantom Brave, which we had been playing at the time of the phonecall.
I think there's a slight problem in people's use of language that causes communication problems. Earlier, we mentioned that we couldn't go fabric shopping because we're out of money, so she assumes that we're out of food as well, and is all ready to take us to the store and buy us food. We appreciate the generosity, but we're not out of food--just money.
Now that could be cute, but as translators, we're obsessed about proper use of language, so we don't like it when people assume we're saying things that we're not saying. And I especially don't like it when people use the term "real movies" to refer to "live-action movies," because as an anime fan, I'm insulted when people say things that might indicate that animated movies aren't worth being called real movies.
So really I'm just tired. I want to go back to my world of anime where even the stupid and evil people make sense. But obviously first I had to go and tell everyone who might read this about the incident. Just venting I guess. I wish people would stop generalizing so much.