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Yuri on Ice revisited 
3rd-Jan-2017 06:09 pm
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So we thought we were going to have a more laid-back schedule. We'd just casually work on this edit and not freak ourselves out about it at all, because hey, we still have two whole weeks before anything's due, and another two whole weeks after that. Then we got an email. That wouldn't have been cause for concern in and of itself, but since our editor asked when we'd be able to turn a book in by, we thought we should probably check our schedule to make sure. Turns out we forgot about not one but two deadlines in the next six weeks! Ah, ha, ha! It's okay, though, because we're still at just one book a week, and we're not late for anything.

Nevertheless, it means we still don't have as much free time as we thought we did (although we probably still have enough free time). But the point is, that's why we only watched one episode of Yuri on Ice today. We decided if we were going to do this, we might as well do it all the way and we started from the beginning again.


I admit, part of my aversion to starting over from the beginning is that I knew, from hearing the songs from a certain movie over and over again, that things can grow on you and I was afraid I would end up liking it. I also admit that I am a little determined to continue to dislike this series. But I'm also determined to give it a fair chance, so we'll just see which determination wins out. Or maybe I'll legitimately still not like this series, which I think was indicated by the point after Yuri reenacted Victor's routine and they showed him outside in the cherry blossoms and I was genuinely surprised that the episode wasn't over yet, even though I'd seen it before.

What I'm saying is, the pacing is slow. I may have mentioned before that we've seen three episodes but we couldn't for the life of us remember three episodes' worth of material. It feels like nothing happened, but I think that's just because nothing happened that piqued our interest.

So it starts out with Yuri not winning the thingie that he was skating in, and he was in the bathroom crying. Athena said that this is where she checked out as far as being engaged with the characters, because she has a thing about germs, so she was waiting for him to get out of the bathroom stall that is gross. As for why I had no sympathy for him... I really can't say. All I can say is that I didn't. Athena suggests that there was a lot of busyness to the animation that made it hard to focus. I will add that when it switched to "in Yuri's head Yuri," I would get annoyed, and again I can't really say why. I think overall, and not just with those bits, there's something about the staging or something that really just doesn't work for me.

And now Athena and I are sitting here talking about how they could have done it that would have activated my empathy. For example, if, instead of saying, "I just lost in this skating thingie and now I'm going to the bathroom and being depressed," they had shown him waiting to hear the announcement about the winners or whatever, and they'd shown the anticipation and anxiety on his face (since he already knew he messed up), then you hear the announcement and you see the wave of disappointment. That would have been more touching, I think.

So yeah, there does seem to be a lot of dialogue and monologue that's basically narration and exposition. We learned from a series that will remain unnamed that we're not big fans of monologuing. It seems like the least interesting way to deliver information.

There are a lot of pretty pictures. The visuals are stunning. But they also seem to lack tension a lot of the time. I said once that the art wasn't why we didn't like it, but now that we're analyzing it further, I think it might be part of it. In fact, when our friend on Facebook was trying to convince us to watch it, she shared some screencaps, and I looked at them and thought, "Eh." And I think I know why. We have another friend on Facebook who draws lots of pictures and she shares them and people like them because they're pretty, but we usually don't care for them because there's no spark; there's no light in the characters' eyes. They're not alive. And it's true that sometimes the characters in Yuri on Ice are expressive, but they're kind of on the same level as these pictures our friend draws.

We maintain our opinion that the skating routines are just pretty dances with pretty music in the background, and they're not united and that makes me ask, "Then why do I have to put them together?" The skating was almost more interesting when it was background to people's conversations/monologues.

Sooo...yeah. I don't know. So far we're not really relating to the characters, except for maybe Minako. We really don't relate to the copying Victor thing. Maybe that's ironic coming from someone whose job it is to recreate someone else's writing, but that's the thing--we're doing something those writers can't do. If they could translate their own work, then what would be the point of us doing it? If you want to be awesome like Victor, come up with your own routines, like Victor does. (We also never really got on board with the whole, "I want to be just like So-and-So when I grow up!" Maybe that comes from having lived our lives alongside someone who is very much like us, and knowing and appreciating the fact that that person was not exactly the same as us. Speaking of which, one voice actress for all three triplets? Numeralist, much?)

In conclusion, we still don't like it, but we will persevere.


Today I'm thankful for kind friends who drive us to the post office, our packages not having been returned to sender, getting to go to Marie Callender's, making decent progress on work despite ditching it for adventures, and having shiny packages to open.
Comments 
4th-Jan-2017 06:19 am (UTC)
Yay, you watched an episode! Thank you for being willing to persevere despite your busyness and lack of interest, for the sake of a couple friends :) Again, I'm sorry in advance if my enthusiasm gets annoying: please feel free to stop reading my comment at any point, or tell me if I need to chill :) (I don't think I got too carried away, but I do seem to have a lot to say whenever I get to say anything about this at all...)

Apparently (from an interview I read) the voice actress for the triplets does interpret and act each one differently. (now, I haven't picked up on any significant differences in my several viewings, but maybe if I were to pay more attention to them... but they're gag characters so I guess I don't care that much.)

Aww, my favourite sobbing-in-the-bathroom scene. Sorry about the germs (they never even occurred to me). I was thrilled by all the little bits of animation (maybe the "busyness" Athena points out), and I think the characterization came through really strong in the staging of it: first his pride and public persona as a competitor (also bringing in the internet/social media aspect, as he browses on his phone and sees his own failure broadcast to the world), then a glimpse of his internal struggles that he can hardly even allow himself to share with his own family—he tries to laugh it off while talking to his mom, but hangs up as soon as his emotions break down. It also shows the distance between him (sobbing in a bathroom stall) and his idol Victor (looking beautiful in the spotlight, being celebrated for another gold medal), which we wouldn't get with a more immediate score-reaction scene. (if you want that, though, there will be plenty of scores to react to in upcoming episodes.)

If context matters, the "Grand Prix Final" skating thingy he fails at the beginning is a competition that he qualified for by ranking highly in two previous international Grand Prix competitions (some combination of 1st-4th place among 12? skaters in each competition). Only 6 competitors worldwide make it to the final in each category (men/ladies/pairs/dance), so despite what he says and how he performed here, he has to be a pretty talented skater.

The art, though, see?? That was the main reason I watched the show in the first place! Hahaha. So it surely contributed to my love of the thing, and I guess that means it could conceivably contribute to someone's aversion too... I'll take your word for it that you find the character art lifeless, but I can't comprehend that statement at all. Even the shots of their shoes in ep1 felt full of life to me :)

I hadn't considered whether Yuri aspiring to be like Victor was relatable (or needed to be). I'm pretty confident/content with myself, so wanting to be like someone else was never really my thing either... although I had this friend in high school who I thought was super great and I basically did end up copying/adapting her fashion sense, drawing style, reading habits... But still I wouldn't say I was trying to be her, I just saw traits and things I liked and wanted to add them to who I was (then take those aspects further to make them my own). So now that I'm thinking about it, I feel like Yuri too saw in Victor things he wanted for himself (if he didn't like dogs, Victor having one probably wouldn't convince him to get one too, etc). Though there probably was also his own sense of inadequacy that he was trying to fill, based on how his character comes across... and I can't relate to that, but I can still sympathize. But of course yes, Yuri needs to learn to be, and love, himself if he ever wants to be on the same level as Victor.
4th-Jan-2017 06:03 pm (UTC)
Ooohh, he was browsing on his phone! We didn't pick up on that, because it seemed to show the screen without his hand holding it, so it was kind of like in the Durarara!! anime where a scene will be going on and they'll cut to the chat room to emphasize what's going on in the scene regardless of whether or not anyone in the scene is at a computer or on a mobile device. And yet that information does not inspire any more sympathy in me. Maybe I'm just heartless...

Your explanation of what the competition was only makes me less sympathetic.

I agree that art can contribute to an aversion to something (see: Rugrats, Olaf, the new Mickey Mouse designs), but if the story is good enough, that can be overcome (see: Dave the Barbarian). I was also thinking about this when we were watching Pokemon during dinner (after writing this post), and I was looking at the art and thinking, "Yeah, this isn't exactly 'alive,' either," but the story and the pacing and, I don't know, the staging and layout? were enough fun that it was okay.

As for the shots of the shoes--are you talking about still shots or animated ones? (This is just out of my own curiosity, not to try to debate anything.) Because while I do feel like they studied motion pretty well for the animation, I think it's each individual frame that is so lifeless.

Yuri's imitation of Victor doesn't need to be relatable, but something has to be. My thought process behind that sentence was, "Let's see, I was talking about how I don't relate to the characters, but maybe I'm missing something...what else happened? Oh yeah, the copying Victor thing. I didn't relate to that, either." And since it's the part where you get Yuri's whole dream and aspiration and motivation and everything, if there was something that would create a connection between me and the protagonist, the "I Want" song is usually it. ("I Want" Song: a plot device used in Disney movies of the '90s, to establish the main protagonists motivations and get the audience to relate.)
5th-Jan-2017 04:13 am (UTC)
Why are you so heartless?!?!?!?? Hahaha. (kidding, if the excessive punctuation didn't give it away.) (I'm not sure what it was about the details of the competition made you less sympathetic, though. the fact that he has skill but still manages to fail and get depressed?) Oh yeah, so there were two screen scenes in a row—the first was Yuri looking at his phone with news headlines about how he fared in the competition (as the commentator guy was discussing it) (sidenote: I enjoy all the little animated gestures of scrolling through a phone, pressing the hang-up button, etc...), and then he goes into introduction/explanation mode for the audience, and that one looks like it's on an imaginary computer screen.

I guess both the animation of the shoes but also the drawings—the shape and detail of them feels so tangible and real to me. I thought the body language was expressive and life-like throughout the series but especially in ep1 (mainly Yuri and Yurio), again both in the animation and still shots. I'd be curious to see examples of what you consider lifeless vs lively artwork (not just from this series)... But don't worry about it if you're busy or it's something too hard to pin down!

Now I'm thinking about what it means to be relatable. I don't get depressed or anxious like Yuri does at all, but I still felt sad for him when he was down. (is it just because I think he's adorable and I love his face? haha... but I really like how his voice actor acts him tool. on that note, do you have opinions about the voice acting? i know that's something you pay attention to.) I don't usually consider whether I would want what a character wants—if it's outrageous that they'd want that, I'll feel a disconnect, but normally I think "sure, they're a different person than me, so if that's what makes them happy...!" As of this episode though, it seems like "what he wants" is the very thing he's trying to figure out. He makes a short-term goal once Victor shows up but the rest of the series is about figuring out his long-term life goals. That again isn't relatable to me because I live my life just taking whatever comes along, but I do think it's something many people would worry about as young adults, whether they're world-class athletes or normal folk.

Maybe I don't understand "relatable" as you do? I'm thinking of it as "in this situation I would feel the same way as this person/character" but that rarely occurs to me in media I consume (back when there was that "5 fictional characters that represent you" meme going around facebook, I tried thinking about who I might choose but could only come up with one Jane Austen protagonist who I really connect with. maybe listless Tanaka-kun on an aspirational level...) so it could be I'm used to assuming that characters feel differently than me, and that that's alright. It can even give me more reason to want to understand their character and motivations.

(here's an article on the word "relatable" that came up when I google the word. it was an interesting read, though I don't know if it's relevant to what you're saying or not.)
5th-Jan-2017 08:32 pm (UTC)
Haha, that article felt like you were accusing us of hiding behind the word "relatable" to avoid really figuring out why we don't like this series. We did definitely agree with the sentence, "The problem arises when 'relatability' becomes the sole interpretive lens." I think in our case with YoI, the art is pretty but not enough to hold our attention, the events of the story don't interest us, the humor mostly leaves us cold, and so the only hope that we would look forward to watching more of this series is that we have some connection with one of the characters, and since none of our A-list actors are in it, there has to be some relatability.

And you better believe the "I don't relate to that" has been followed, as the article suggests, by self-examination...or maybe examination of the series or portrayal of Yuri's despair. I actually woke up an hour before our alarm this morning and spent a good chunk of that time wondering why those opening scenes in the first episode failed to pique any sympathy from me. I do have my heartless moments, but I always thought I was fairly decent at understanding fictional characters...well, until The Force Awakens, or maybe Frozen.

Anyway. I think the reason that his having made it so far in the competition and still not getting first place doesn't make me feel for him at all is that, for example, we had an email from an editor recently that pointed out not just a translation we got wrong but a translation note that we got wrong, and I can't explain why without a little more analysis, but getting translation notes wrong is much worse than getting translations wrong (maybe because a mistaken translation might just be a careless mistake, like a typo, but a mistaken translation note is a mistake you put effort into getting wrong). We were mildly devastated. But this editor is amazing, and he made sure to point out that the rest of the script was great, so don't even worry about it, and that's where I reminded myself that one mistake where you're not the best person ever doesn't make you a failure at what you do. And while I can understand the sentiment of messing up and being forced to face your flaws, I guess in the context of sports I feel like a hierarchy has already been established, so he should know he's not the scum of the skating world--he came in what, second? for crying out loud.

In other words, I can relate to perfectionism, but I lose patience with people who don't pick themselves up and keep going to improve. We've been in situations where, for example, we didn't want to go to Japanese class because we embarrassed ourselves the previous day, but we sucked it up and did it anyway.

The other thing is (and this is the part that I was actually thinking about this morning), and this might just be my own inattention to detail, but I didn't know why it was so important to him to win this competition. If you're in his profession, competitions are what you do, and you win some you lose some, that's just life. So why was it so important that he get first place in this one? What are the stakes? (I do get that it said his dog died, but since it was almost in passing, it added very little to my sympathy.)

Also, he did mention he'd been slipping (I think), but everything I've ever learned about being good at something is that if you keep practicing and giving it your all, you're not likely to slip. So if he was slipping anyway, it kind of seems like maybe he didn't care that much about it (and he confirms that by telling...someone that maybe imitating Victor again will help him get his love of skating back). And of course, I wouldn't have been thinking that hard about it as I was watching the episode, so maybe this is an excuse after the fact, but all I can say is for some reason or another, the way the story was told did not elicit much sympathy from me.

So back to what it means, to me, to be relatable. Well, of course it's a personal thing, so it's going to be different for each person. But for example, I can't relate to Ariel's wish to have legs, but I can put it in a context of something I can relate to, which is falling in love with another culture. I know what she wants and the situation she's in, and I can empathize with her.

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5th-Jan-2017 09:30 pm (UTC)
I promise I wasn't sharing that "relatable" article as an accusation—it really was just the first thing I read after the dictionary.com definition, and I thought "Huh, that's interesting." (but that's why I said I wasn't sure if it was relevant to this discussion.) That you looked for relatability after not connecting with the art/story/humour/voice actor aspects as well makes total sense to me.

In the GPFinal competition at the beginning, he comes in last place (6th), not 2nd (it was the qualifying rounds where he would've had to place between 1-4)—but I think it's not just that he didn't win, but that he apparently made a ton of big mistakes in his skating because of his anxiety, stress-eating, mourning the death of his dog he'd had since he was like 12, etc. His final score is over 100 points below Victor's (232 vs 335). If he had skated his best and still come in 6th (after all, someone has to) I don't think he would be nearly as upset. And most of the dejection we see from him is right after his utter loss at the competition (December), which I think is totally reasonable. By the time we see him arriving in his hometown (3 months later, in March) he's skating Victor's program (which he probably was working on for at least a little while) to regain his love for the sport, and thinking about his next steps again—I didn't immediately catch it, but someone online pointed out a moment when he's sitting in his room before Victor shows up and thinks that he needs to skate on the same ice with him again, so he probably has already resolved to keep competing, independent of Victor's unexpected move.

I think his goal isn't necessarily to get first place (though it'd be nice as proof of what he can do, I don't remember him outright saying that was what he wanted), but to be able to skate on the same level as Victor. Victor's won this annual competition 5 times; Yuri made it to the Final this year for the first time, but once he got there he fell apart—putting him (at least in his mind) waaay below Victor in the hierarchy. That's why he doesn't feel he can face him when Victor offers a commemorative photo with him (apparently thinking he's just another fan, not even recognizing him as a competitor.)

I'm not sure what you mean about slipping. (unless it's 滑る? From what I've gathered since watching the show, that's the general word for skating, as well as for sliding/slipping...) Later episodes show flashbacks to him falling spectacularly on his jumps, which is probably the sort of mistakes he made in this competition. (putting a hand down is one thing, but if you fall down and have to get up, it messes up the timing of whatever's next. not getting enough rotations in the jumps is another mistake we see frequently in the show from various skaters.) Practice makes perfect, yes, but I think that jumping and spinning yourself 2-4 times in the air, then landing gracefully on a single skate blade with any consistency is quite a feat.

edit: I didn't want to change topics in the middle of the comment, but did want to say something about the experience you shared with the mistake in your translation note. I'm sorry it was devastating! I can see how a careless mistake feels less-bad than a careful one, but as you say, one mistake still shouldn't cancel out the heaps of great work you consistently do, so I'm glad you were able to pick yourselves up again! (and once more I think of how most of my work emails these days contain a handful, if not a long list, of script notes for the editor to check and correct, and I wonder how this has come to be what I expect from most other translators. I'm so thankful for your work.)

Edited at 2017-01-05 10:26 pm (UTC)
5th-Jan-2017 08:32 pm (UTC)
...I know the situation Yuri is in, but I don't know what he wants (which, granted, is because he doesn't know what he wants, but I didn't know that at this point in the series), so I don't know what I'm supposed to be empathizing with. I can empathize with the disappointment of losing, but since I also know that losing happens in athletic environments (and I've watched plenty of sports anime where people deal with losing much more gracefully...), and (as mentioned before) I don't know the stakes of his losing, I still don't really know why it's so disappointing.


As for the voice acting, the cast is great. Everyone in it is someone who's played at least one character we've really liked, and Toshiyuki Toyonaga sings some great songs for Kamigami no Asobi. His voice was very emotional, in the dramatic bathroom scene...but the first time we saw it we were trying to figure out why he sounded so familiar, since we usually hear him playing deeper voiced characters, so that might have affected why his performance didn't move us. We have that problem with first episodes.

Junichi Suwabe...I kind of hate to say this because he seems like a pretty nice guy, but we're often disappointed to hear his voice. (Although we adored his voice in Karin (aka Chibi Vampire) and he was a much better Seymour Guado than the English dub voice.) We like him as an actor, but usually we find ourselves uninterested in any of the characters he plays, so that may have affected our opinion of Victor, but we liked him pretty well in Yona despite prejudices, so I like to think we would have gotten over it.

Koki Uchiyama on the other hand... He might have been enough to keep us watching the series just to hear more of him. We've liked just about every main character we've heard him play, from his early days as Roxas (although it's really weird to hear him in Kingdom Hearts II because he's so young). And so far Yurio is the character we can relate to the best (you have my name and you're making a mess of it; stop being an idiot), although his "whatever, as long as I win" and "no, me!" attitudes are kind of annoying.

I also want to point out here that in the first episode I felt like there were bits where the voices were more expressive than the pictures, and it was kind of a mismatch, but that might have been a frame of mind thing, because I occasionally feel like there's a mismatch when I'm watching Disney movies, and then I'll watch them again and wonder what I was talking about.

Anyway, all of that adds up to our first take on the first episode, which was, "It was kind of slow and uninteresting, but it's still finding its legs and we love a couple of the cast members, so we'll keep watching and see how it goes."

And hopefully I won't get in trouble for this, because we never felt like we were in the position to give critique on this person's art, so I don't want her to be offended if she tracks this back to us, but here is an example of art that seems kind of static and lifeless. It's very pretty and she definitely put a lot of work into it, but if we were to give some constructive criticism we would suggest she pick up the Drawn to Life books.

As for art that is full of life, we've mentioned Chaico before, I believe.
5th-Jan-2017 10:08 pm (UTC)
Thanks for explaining further about how you look for relatability! (as well as that it wasn't the only thing you were looking for in the show.) Emotional bathroom scene aside (since we know that's what won me over), I can see how Yuri could be to relate to at the start when we don't know all his motivations.

Haha, I don't have any strong attachments to Junichi Suwabe. I did find amusement in the Victor = Jaeha thing at the beginning. I will say that Victor, other than being a pretty face (but I like Yuri's face better), wasn't a very engaging character to me for the first few episodes. Talk about not knowing someone's motivations... But he did win me over in the end (and I stopped thinking of him as ice-skating Jaeha+Howl).

So I took some buzzfeed quiz a while back about which YoI character I was most like (there are several other skaters introduced later so it had a lot more options than these three) and I really wasn't sure what to expect because I don't particularly feel like any of them even if I have my favourites, but I ended up with Yurio. And I thought "What! I'm not that angry child!!" But I think the connection was that he's self-motivated/independent and perfectionistic and a workaholic? (and loves cats) so maybe I can see it. I do like him, the little pill :)

Given the context, I won't say much about the art you shared, but it is helpful to know where you're coming from, and I agree that book looks like a helpful one for all artists who want to draw lifelike artwork! (this is possibly relevant to me right now...)
6th-Jan-2017 12:03 am (UTC)
Oh goodness, I should have clarified that these were not too separate comments but one ridiculously long one that LJ wouldn't let me post all together. The last one was to intercept your correcting me about what place Yuri came in...and apparently it didn't work.

But anyway! I think I figured out what, ultimately, was the problem as far as our relating to Yuri's disappointment, in addition to not knowing or being able to care what his aspirations were. And it's this: we have seen a few other sports anime, and having the main character lose in the beginning seems like a pretty standard plot device (I mean, obviously you can't start with the hero being The Best, or where's the conflict?), so pretty much we see it and go, "...Okay, now what?"

What I said about slipping was probably a misremembering of what Yuri said about messing up in the competition. I thought that his skill level had been going down gradually over the last several whatever time period it was, but maybe it was just that one routine that he messed up on? Believe me, we know what suberu means and what contexts it's used in. We do translate Japanese for a living, after all, so in the future, let's just all assume that the Twins know what something means, or if they don't, they have the ability to look it up on their own (but for the record, we knew that suberu is the word for ice skating long before we watched this anime, and we even understood the "subette mita" joke when the triplets posted the video onto the internet).

As for our mild devastation, save your sympathy; I wasn't asking for it. We were really upset about it, but like I said, it was mild, and it turned out to be an important lesson on how you can mess up once or twice and still not be a failure at everything. And a reminder to be more careful when looking stuff up.
6th-Jan-2017 12:15 am (UTC)
Ah, sorry! I did get that the two comments went together (sorry for making you write so much! it was a good read though!) but when I was replying it just seemed easier to write my responses to both... sorry again. And then I didn't notice the third comment until after I'd posted my first reply, sorry x3......

And sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry, I really truly honestly didn't mean to assume or imply you wouldn't know the word!!! I just couldn't think of any places he had talked about slipping, and you did have a question mark by the word, and what do I know about how common or specialized these words are in this context... and the only relevant idea I had was when I'd google-translated some line about the show and that had translated it "slipping" when it was talking about skating (and of course I only ever use google translate as a flawed tool that can sort of half-way help make sense of something when I look at it alongside the original text).

But again, I know you know so much more than me about the language, and I truly apologize for suggesting otherwise in any way.
6th-Jan-2017 02:18 am (UTC)
Okay, I can't actually tell how upset you were by my foolish attempt at "correcting" you so maybe I'm interpreting it as a bigger deal than it is to you (or maybe not), but I just want to add that I would hope you know already how much I respect you and your intelligence and your translating skill, and that I DO assume that the Twins know what things mean, I just apparently say dumb stuff sometimes when I'm trying to make sense of a comment that confused me. I don't mind being told, "Duh we know what that word means, don't be stupid, lys." but the sarcasm kinda stung. I'm sure I deserved it, but... Maybe I'm just feeling randomly oversensitive tonight, I dunno.
6th-Jan-2017 05:45 am (UTC)
To be honest, I was pretty upset about it, but since we figured you were just getting carried away, we just wanted to point it out. Sorry for the biting sarcasm; we meant for it to be read in a more sincere tone...which I guess might make it sound more sarcastic... It's hard figuring out the best way to word things.

Anyway, we're sorry for freaking you out, and thanks for the apology. It's okay now, except that you never said whether or not I was misremembering--had his scores been dropping, or was it just in the one routine?
6th-Jan-2017 06:23 am (UTC)
Right, sorry, when I recognized I'd upset you I didn't really want to dig into the story details so much as I wanted to apologize. Thanks for your forgiveness :)

After the Final in December was Japan's national competition where he again performed badly, still hung up on his previous failure. Because of one or both bad performances, he didn't qualify for the other two major international skating competitions for the season, which was why he went back to his hometown in March after finishing his college degree (not clear to me if that was in Detroit where he had been training, or somewhere else in Japan.)
6th-Jan-2017 05:28 pm (UTC)
Okay, so he wasn't necessarily slipping over a period of time; just the two. Thanks, that's what I needed to know!
5th-Jan-2017 09:24 pm (UTC)
PS: Over lunch, Athena set me straight that Yuri got last place in the particular competition in this episode, but I still maintain that top six (as stated repeatedly by contestants in MasterChef and America's Next Top Model) is pretty dang good.
5th-Jan-2017 09:32 pm (UTC)
I agree it's pretty dang good :) but in the moment, coloured by how he lost, I don't think Yuri sees it that way.
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